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Love it.

Check out the wheels everybody!!! 8) Cool stuff man!

looks good man

LOVE IT!!

with 3 snaps in a Z formation :P

That's pretty bad ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Did you paint over your black plastics or did you save them for trackdays?


Wheels are sweet too 8)

Nice job Scorpio :)

MetalS.

They aint ready for the rim tape!!!! lol They're just......... NOT............. ready. 8)

That's pretty bad ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Did you paint over your black plastics or did you save them for trackdays?


Wheels are sweet too 8)

Nice job Scorpio :)

Thanks Bro.
new (used) plastics. going to be selling my all black ones i guess (i have no room to keep them)

MetalS.

They aint ready for the rim tape!!!! lol They're just......... NOT............. ready. 8)

i'm on my way to put them on soon. BTW; it was funny to see you walk into the store and didn't recognice my son in the middle of the floor. :D

MetalS.

They aint ready for the rim tape!!!! lol They're just......... NOT............. ready. 8)

i'm on my way to put them on soon. BTW; it was funny to see you walk into the store and didn't recognice my son in the middle of the floor. :D

I know. It completely caught me off guard. I'm very impressed with what you have built there.

Now lets get ready for some TRACKDAYS!!!!!!!!!!!

Are the graffics painted or vinyl?

Are the graffics painted or vinyl?

They are decals.

Are the graffics painted or vinyl?

Vinyls. Tapeworks.com. I order alot from them and i asked them to change the colors for that and they told me that 05 1000RR could not be done with that kit because of the clear over the tank sticker but they send it to me anyways. (don't they know that won;t stop me, they never heard of blades cutting clear coat and reming the sticker?)

fucking sweet Bro!

fucking sweet Bro!

Thank you Brotherman. I have been looking at your videos and pictures and i notice that the red is faster, i just had to. :D

Acually, here is my inspiration...ready for this Turbo?
http://www.photodump.com/direct/metalscorpio/DSC01345.jpg

It actually looks like it's your bike in that pic. 8)

christ, turbo. got money? i can smell the green from here....

It actually looks like it's your bike in that pic. 8)

it is mine, remember...I own you!...LOL.

You feel a difference in turn in speed with those wheels Scorpio?

Looks great !!

Nice wheels also...


Now, got to ride that up to the mountain next weekend.... :D

Awesome Metal. Great choice. Looks much better than before. Keep those vids coming.

bdlstyle

You feel a difference in turn in speed with those wheels Scorpio?

He just put the wheels on, on Friday. He hasn't had a chance to really ride it yet.

MetalS.

Is tapeworks going to use your bike as a demo on their website?

Looks awesome.

LOVE IT :!: :!:

How do you like the new duel compound Michelins Turbo? Im burning in a new set now. 8)

metal your bike is badass.....love those wheels!!! turbo....bike is badass as well!

I just got home from riding all day from 100am to 8pm, and the bike feels alot easier to turn, take off and move around cars. it's a great feeling when you start turning and you don't have to make that much force to pull the bike around.

Turbo i sent the pictures to Tapeworks today, i dont know if they will use it or not but i will better pictures with my sister's camera durring this week.

How do you like the new duel compound Michelins Turbo? Im burning in a new set now. 8)

Have you not seen my elbow down pics???

http://speedzilla.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=46619

Interesting graphics, takes some time to get used to them. Overall pretty nice looking bike.

thanks Gang, another reason why i wanted to change the color is because, here in NYC alot of people took the stickers off from there 1000's and 600's. it's not fun when you go to the hang out spot and match your bike with other 20 bikes that look just about the same as yours. The reason i powdercoated everything black was because (or so i was thinking) was going to be the only one around on a all black. guess not ;)

Yo Turbo, I didn't see the new leathers in your list for the winter Bro. I don't want to hear shit from you next year at the track.

Yo Turbo, I didn't see the new leathers in your list for the winter Bro. I don't want to hear shit from you next year at the track.

C'mon man. You should know by now I'm getting the Kangaroo skinz!

Turbo's leathers should be donated to a museum that pays tribute to all things from the 90's :lol:

ahhhhhhhhhh ha ha ha...llloolll. damn you're right!

The retro look is in. 8)

hey the old school look is back in force lol

Looks really nice bro... The black swingarm makes the bike and the way the black is carried out on the rest looks killer. Nice JOB 2 thumbs up.

Yo metal I'm coming to the dealership saturday So I can ride your bike. Ive been trying to sell mine on ebay for the last month. I guess no one wants to spend 8grand for it now. anyhow I may have found a way to keep it. When I refinace my house I may throw my credit card debt 8900 in the refinace and keep the horse. I had surgery om my elbow on the 22 by the 27 I was out tearing up the southern state. by thr 29 th I felt good enough to push 140 on the cross island and blew past one or NY finest. My grip in my right hand is not as strong as it was . I tried to pull a wheelie and it didn't feel right,like i couldn't control the throttle. maybe it was all in my head. by the way your shit looks good. I neeed a second job. Is the dealership hiring for weekends

where in LI rome?

Nice scheme. Liking it. 8)

sure thing BigRome, you know where to find me, just stop by and ask for the keys. i actually left it there tonight after i installed the rim stripes and the original Honda sticker on the lowers.
-That goes for all of you around the area also just leave a $10,000.00 deposit and your bike with the title. LOL J/K

thanks gntbldr.

By the Way, Turbo it's scared to ride my bike. just want you all to know. :D

where in LI rome?

I'm in hempstead

gotcha rome.....i've seen your club MANY times at their parties.

laters pictures, i removed the bottom stickers and placed an OEM Honda sticker. Added the rim stripe and placed the license plate in a custum made braket that my friend mad for me. (Thanks DK) :D

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y297/metalscorpio/Picture1413.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y297/metalscorpio/Picture1415.jpg

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Nice job.

My bike looks like shit compared to yours.

NOW GO RIDE THAT THING!!!!!

Metal,

My advice to you is to keep that bike with low mileage. (Maybe consider getting another bike for a beater) When you build a motor to that capacity, rebuilds happen pretty frequently. You built a "Privateer race bike" and most privateers rebuild their race bikes at least once during a season.

When I say rebuild, I mean Pistons, rods, bearings, and other misc. I know how you ride and you are hard on the bike at the track AND on the street. If you haven't already done so, you should probably switch to fully synthetic oil and change it every 1,000 miles to play it safe. My $0.02

Nice job!

Thanks for the $0.2 bro, I do ride it almost everyday to work and back and sometimes i do ride it hard, harder then i should btw, but as of right now the only thing i have to do this motor since the rebuild it to change the valve guide/seals because when i ride it hard and park it for some time, the next time i start it up it's smoking like it's got a new pipe installed. on the off season i'll have it taking apart and change them and maybe replace the valves and springs from HRC as well as the Ramair and airbox.

When the Mechanic asked me if i wanted more power or to be reliable the answer was simple; you get me to work and back everyday with another 40 Hp and i'll be happy as hell. (we could of done alot more but then it wouldn't be reliable for street riding under stop and go traffic). I do leave in Manhattan remember?

oh and BTW, i change my oil every 1000 miles anyways. Ask Alex. 8)

those rim stripes set the bike off, and personally i like the HONDA sticker better then the little ones. awesome job!

another reason why i wanted to take the other stickers off was so i don't start to look like a Repsol want to be!

it's more Official Honda look anyways. :D

Metal,

One last thing. When you take your motor apart this winter, have your motor guy measure your con rods and make sure they are still within spec. Because they tend to stretch under heavy loads and stretched rods can put undue burden on your crankshaft and decrease engine life.

When it's time to replace the rods, you might want to opt for Carillos.

I've built several high performance engines (non-motorcycle) that were pushing out double the factory HP and never had a problem with conecting rods stretching. Most of these engines used the factory connecting rods. Conecting rods tend to just break before they stretch. Conecting rods are under compression forces due to the compression in the combustion chamber pushing down on the piston, which pushes down on the connection rod, which pushes down on the crank shaft, turning a vertical force into a rotational force.

Another free mechanical lesson Turbo :wink:

If you have race cams, I would be sure to instal stronger valve springs to keep the valves from floating at high RPM and "kissing" the pistons.

Conecting rods tend to just break before they stretch.

This is not true. If my motor guy wasn't at Road America I'd get him to post here.

so you are saying that as time goes on with a built engine- compression will increase?


Drive through please.

I'm sure they could stretch on an upstroke due to rotational or centrifugal forces, but If I was Scorpio I would not be overly concerned by it. The connecting rod will be put under a stretching load if the piston is being wedged at the top of the cylinder and the cranc is now on it's down stroke or if the radius of the crank lobe is too large for the length of the connecting rod (you will see this in stroker motors). That would force the connecting rod to pull down on the piston at a less than vertical angle. It could also happen by over-reving the engine with no load on it like red-lining it while in neutral or through massive wheel spin with the tach maxed out. Down shifting with the engine in redline could also cause it because the rev limiter only keeps the engine from over-reving while under power and does nothing if the rear tire is forcing the motor to rev a couple thousand RPM's higher that the engine was engineered to rev.

In the high performance car engines I have built, a few strokers for that matter, the rods have bent, but never stretched.

Just my experience. I guess it is not impossible though

In short, free reving an engine is deadly for the connecting rods. The connecting rod would stretch due to extremely high revs and the change in direction from up to down stroke. You can mimic this by holding a 5 lb weight in your hand and punch in and out with your arm. You can feel the tension on your joints as you pull back after punching out. the slower you punch the less you feel. The opposite is true the faster you punch.

I would keep the rev limiter set to the factory setting and Scorpio should not have to worry all that much.

The problem of stretched connecting rods is lessened if you do everything you can to produce a free flowing intake system. A ram air will help out even more because it will help to force feed air into the combustion chamber and the engine will not be a reliant on the piston to pull air into the cylinder through the suction created by the down stroke of the piston.

The problem with your mechanics motor might have been a combination of all of the things that I mentioned in conjunction with the fact that a V-twin has much heavier pistons. The rods would have to be beefed up in proportion to the weight of the piston. The I-4 engines have much lighter pistons so the rods can be lighter. That equals less stress as the piston changes from up to down stroke.

Now you see why I-4 engines can rev higher than V-twin engines.

The lighter the pistons are the less stress on the connecting rod there will be. Switch that 5 lb weight for a 4 lb weight and you'll see what I mean.

After understanding what I have written, you can see why Ferrari and other high performance engine manufacturers used engines with a boat load of small cylinders like V-12's.

Interesting

I'm sure they could stretch on an upstroke due to rotational or centrifugal forces, but If I was Scorpio I would not be overly concerned by it.

Don't forget.... Metal's bike is putting out 188hp. He really should cryo treat both his crankshaft and his con rods to increase engine life.

Resus,
In order for rods to bend, they have to stretch on one side. Think about it. And regarding your question about compression, the answer is yes but the actual change in compression is minimal. That's why a good engine builder will perform a compression check before reassembling a motor after he works on it.

Guys, I'm not saying you are wrong, but I've been studying this stuff for a couple of years now and am about to get a diploma. I've helped work on bikes and have seen this with my own eyes.

I'm sure they could stretch on an upstroke due to rotational or centrifugal forces, but If I was Scorpio I would not be overly concerned by it.

Don't forget.... Metal's bike is putting out 188hp. He really should cryo treat both his crankshaft and his con rods to increase engine life.

Resus,
In order for rods to bend, they have to stretch on one side. Think about it. And regarding your question about compression, the answer is yes but the actual change in compression is minimal. That's why a good engine builder will perform a compression check before reassembling a motor after he works on it.

Guys, I'm not saying you are wrong, but I've been studying this stuff for a couple of years now and am about to get a diploma. I've helped work on bikes and have seen this with my own eyes.

I turned wrenches for 15 years before becoming a paramedic, and built supercharged/stroked engines for quite a while. Never ran into this problem. But I am not going to say it is not possible either.

if your con rods are stretching to the point that you have to worry about them, you're using the wrong rods. i've heard of them "getting shorter". had a friend disassemble an engine to find two rods shorter than the other two. turned out to be very slightly bent, effectively shortening the rod.

carillos are good shit. a buddy of mine is putting them in a supercharged V65 engine. the boost has a tendency to snap the stockers.

if your con rods are stretching to the point that you have to worry about them, you're using the wrong rods. i've heard of them "getting shorter". had a friend disassemble an engine to find two rods shorter than the other two. turned out to be very slightly bent, effectively shortening the rod.

carillos are good shit. a buddy of mine is putting them in a supercharged V65 engine. the boost has a tendency to snap the stockers.

With that being said, Carillos should be on Metal's list of future mods. I was going to put them in my bike since I raised my rev limit but opted out since I took 4lbs off of my crankshaft and am about to take another 4lbs off of the flywheel.

Remember, Metal's rods were designed to handle a 150hp bike, not 188hp. 38hp is a huge difference.

I've been studying this stuff for a couple of years now and am about to get a diploma. I've helped work on bikes and have seen this with my own eyes.


That's one of the funniest things I've heard you say in the whole time I've been a member here :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


I bet you couldn't tell me the difference between lift and duration without looking it up on Google. Bet you couldn't even tell me what part of the engine lift and duration is in refrence to :roll:

I'm sure they could stretch on an upstroke due to rotational or centrifugal forces, but If I was Scorpio I would not be overly concerned by it.

Don't forget.... Metal's bike is putting out 188hp. He really should cryo treat both his crankshaft and his con rods to increase engine life.

Resus,
In order for rods to bend, they have to stretch on one side. Think about it. And regarding your question about compression, the answer is yes but the actual change in compression is minimal. That's why a good engine builder will perform a compression check before reassembling a motor after he works on it.

Guys, I'm not saying you are wrong, but I've been studying this stuff for a couple of years now and am about to get a diploma. I've helped work on bikes and have seen this with my own eyes.

I turned wrenches for 15 years before becoming a paramedic, and built supercharged/stroked engines for quite a while. Never ran into this problem. But I am not going to say it is not possible either.

Major props on your experience. 8)

I've been studying this stuff for a couple of years now and am about to get a diploma. I've helped work on bikes and have seen this with my own eyes.


That's one of the funniest things I've heard you say in the whole time I've been a member here :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


I bet you couldn't tell me the difference between lift and duration without looking it up on Google. Bet you couldn't even tell me what part of the engine lift and duration is in refrence to :roll:

Valves bitch!

Yup. bent rods are very common. Pre-detonation can cause bent rods. If the compressed gas explodes just before the piston reaches TDC (that's Top Dead Center for you Turbo :lol: ) the explosive forces are sent right through the connecting rod to the crank as if they were one solid unit. Those are some serious compressive forces. In extreme situations the rod bends or the piston shatters.

I've been studying this stuff for a couple of years now and am about to get a diploma. I've helped work on bikes and have seen this with my own eyes.


That's one of the funniest things I've heard you say in the whole time I've been a member here :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


I bet you couldn't tell me the difference between lift and duration without looking it up on Google. Bet you couldn't even tell me what part of the engine lift and duration is in refrence to :roll:

Valves bitch!

Camshaft you fucktard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

I've been studying this stuff for a couple of years now and am about to get a diploma. I've helped work on bikes and have seen this with my own eyes.


That's one of the funniest things I've heard you say in the whole time I've been a member here :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


I bet you couldn't tell me the difference between lift and duration without looking it up on Google. Bet you couldn't even tell me what part of the engine lift and duration is in refrence to :roll:

Valves bitch!

Camshaft you fucktard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

hehehehehe

I'm sure they could stretch on an upstroke due to rotational or centrifugal forces, but If I was Scorpio I would not be overly concerned by it.

Don't forget.... Metal's bike is putting out 188hp. He really should cryo treat both his crankshaft and his con rods to increase engine life.

Resus,
In order for rods to bend, they have to stretch on one side. Think about it. And regarding your question about compression, the answer is yes but the actual change in compression is minimal. That's why a good engine builder will perform a compression check before reassembling a motor after he works on it.

Guys, I'm not saying you are wrong, but I've been studying this stuff for a couple of years now and am about to get a diploma. I've helped work on bikes and have seen this with my own eyes.

I turned wrenches for 15 years before becoming a paramedic, and built supercharged/stroked engines for quite a while. Never ran into this problem. But I am not going to say it is not possible either.

Major props on your experience. 8)

Thanks. My last build was a 600 Hp SC 360 Dodge engine to fit under the hood of a Shelby Durango

Every camshaft is milled to a specific lift and duration. That is the ammount of lift, or height that the valve will be opened by the lobe of the camshaft, and the duration or length of time the valve will be open.

I've been studying this stuff for a couple of years now and am about to get a diploma. I've helped work on bikes and have seen this with my own eyes.


That's one of the funniest things I've heard you say in the whole time I've been a member here :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


I bet you couldn't tell me the difference between lift and duration without looking it up on Google. Bet you couldn't even tell me what part of the engine lift and duration is in refrence to :roll:

Valves bitch!

Camshaft you fucktard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

And what do the camshafts do????? Control the valve lift and duration. You're such a homo.

Read my above post and you'll see where you lack mechanical knowledge.



Find me a valve that is sold for it's lift and duration aspect ratios :roll:

Read my above post and you'll see where you lack mechanical knowledge.



Find me a valve that is sold for it's lift and duration aspect ratios :roll:

You're right. I just checked my notes. :roll:

I know I'm right. I'm da man when it comes to all things mechanical!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 8)



ps: You should never have to check any notes. This shit is burned into my brain like the alphabet 8)

Major props on your experience. 8)


What, no props for me? :roll:


I should start charging you for all of the knowledge I've been sharing with you :lol:

Did I miss something

Our little threadjack got a bit out of control :oops:

Our little threadjack got a bit out of control :oops:

ya think?

Sorry Metal!

Hell yeah, that looks sweet.

what kind of wheels are those.....there sick!

ha ha ha haha, you guys had me LOLing the whole time i was reading the posts. Yo Turbo, next time just jump off the boat before it drags you down with it. I use to be a wrench turner for a very long time myself; from heavy machinary to cars to motorcycles. it's good to see there is other people here that can understand how hard it's been for me to get this kind of work done to my bike because i wanted to be a ground braker and be the first street legal over 180 HP Honda CBR1000RR.

if we do take the engine out in the winter it will be to replace the valves and springs as well as the valve guides but i'm not doing to the bottom end.

The wheels are from CARRUSSERIA and i got them from SUPERBIKESUPPLY.COM at 1000rr.net

180 HP :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

180 HP :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

:twisted: Don't act like you didn't know Knuckes :twisted:

it's not the point whether i knew or not brother....just tryin to imagine what that must feel like. shit, i think my stock 1kRR is a rocket, lol!!!!

it's not the point whether i knew or not brother....just tryin to imagine what that must feel like. shit, i think my stock 1kRR is a rocket, lol!!!!

180hp is what they should be stock IMO and when I got on my 954 for the first time I was like WTF!

Just rode my friends turbo zrx that's putting out over 200rwhp and lemme tell you, once you taste it you'll always want it. POWER!

Hey metal, how you like that g- craft rear master? that just bolts on the rear set right?

Hey metal, how you like that g- craft rear master? that just bolts on the rear set right?

not to the rearset, to the mastercylinder itself and it works wonderfully so far. if you are going to use them with the stock rearsets then you'll have to put spacers to move them out some so it doesn't scratch the swingarm.

People always tell me: all that stuff and you still have the stock rear brake hose. it's because i'm waiting for a new rear brake caliper and braket to install the line at the same time.

did you have to tear down the motor to get those kind of horsepower numbers?

did you have to tear down the motor to get those kind of horsepower numbers?

You bet I had to. I have a 2mm over size piston kit from JE piston with bunch more other things.

awesome scorpio......must be hell tryin to keep that front wheel on the ground :twisted:

it's not as bad as you might think, or maybe just for me it is. i dropped the front end and onless i ride very agressive (reving over 8000 while pulling or hitting bumps on the road) it's just a snap. :D :twisted:

180 HP.....im so jealous, lol :evil:

Bike is on disply at the shop this week since i'm taking vacation until thursday. I'm going to start looking for a shop that would want to put the bike up at the motorcycle show this year. :)

Bike is on disply at the shop this week since i'm taking vacation until thursday. I'm going to start looking for a shop that would want to put the bike up at the motorcycle show this year. :)

You're funny. :lol:

laters pictures, i removed the bottom stickers and placed an OEM Honda sticker. Added the rim stripe and placed the license plate in a custum made braket that my friend mad for me. (Thanks DK) :D

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y297/metalscorpio/Picture1413.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y297/metalscorpio/Picture1415.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y297/metalscorpio/Picture1417.jpg

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I'm liking the rim tape on that bike. 8)

what kind of grips are you using?

what kind of grips are you using?

I'm using Pro-Grip firm racing grips. It feels alot better to have smaller grips and they don't let go like the originals do specially because i use gloves all the time.

Other than the suspension, are you going to do anything else to the bike.

You really should get some 999 Showa Forks off of ebay for $500-$900. I'm sure they fit and it will be soooooo much cheaper than Ohlins with just as good, if not better performance.

the only thing left to do on scorpio's bike is...... A TUUURRRRBOOOOOOO!!!!