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did you feel it getting loose, or did the rear just let go on you?

Damn Bro, that look like it hurt. I'm glad you're fine and that you got right back on it too. :lol:

looks like the rear just went, dam sorry to see and hear about that :cry:

How much damage :?:

bet you touched down your elbow on that one :wink:

did you feel it getting loose, or did the rear just let go on you?

My dumbass crashed on the warmup lap. I felt it getting loose but I was carrying too much lean angle.

You're still a liability bro..................

Hope your motor guy can get you a good deal on a set of tires cause you're gonna owe me a set next year :twisted:


Looks like the impact to you was minimal. If you're gonna go down, that's the way to do it.


But really, I'm glad you're OK. Bike doesn't mean shit, it's your health that matters. 8)

Hope your motor guy can get you a good deal on a set of tires cause you're gonna owe me a set next year :twisted:


Looks like the impact to you was minimal. If you're gonna go down, that's the way to do it.


But really, I'm glad you're OK. Bike doesn't mean shit, it's your health that matters. 8)

I was taking the proper line this time. 8) You better make it out to East next season.

Ask MetalScorpio. I seriously caught a demon that 2nd session. 8)

I'll be heading out for a ride at 7am tomorrow. I know you are probably done for the season, but if you want to take a spin or meet us by Bear Mtn, give me a call in the morning.

I'll be heading out for a ride at 7am tomorrow. I know you are probably done for the season, but if you want to take a spin or meet us by Bear Mtn, give me a call in the morning.

Sounds good, but I can barely walk. lol

It's going to be freezing tomorrow morning. It was 34 degrees when we got to Pocono yesterday. You guys are nutz.

Nuts? I prefer hardcore :twisted:

Got to get it while we still can. Might be the last weekend ride for me. Once the leaves start falling, I don't mess with the twisties. I'll just go for quick blasts across town or up and down the Parkway till the snow comes.


You better come out for a ride next year bitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :P

That sucks bro! Heal up quick, hopefully there wasn't too much damage to your baby!

That sucks bro! Heal up quick, hopefully there wasn't too much damage to your baby!

About $250 worth. I should have just bought fresh rubber instead of trying to get 2 days out of a set of tires.

do you really shed that much rubber, or is it the heat cycles that do it in?

do you really shed that much rubber, or is it the heat cycles that do it in?

It's the heat cycles. I had plenty of tread at the beginning of the day. I still have decent tread left, but the tires just won't get hot anymore.

That sucks bro! Heal up quick, hopefully there wasn't too much damage to your baby!

About $250 worth. I should have just bought fresh rubber instead of trying to get 2 days out of a set of tires.

Well at least it was only $250. The most important thing was you could walk away from it. I know how I would be though, pretty pissed about going down. I agree with you about the tires. For $250 its just not worth risking it for trying to get a little more out of them. It's not like a car where you have four of them between you and the road. I was just telling my wife today I was looking at my tires and decided this winter I'm going to get a new pair myself.

Modern street tires hardly affected by heat cycles................. Sorry bro but it's true.

You saw my buddy Pete when we went to the track with you. That was his 3rd trackday on his M1's and he has 3000 miles on them. He was still running faster than you by a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong shot.


Resus is on something like his 4th trackday on his Pilot Powers and I think has well over 1000 street miles on them too. Don't blame the tires. You just can't go out there in a 60 degree day with a 34 degree overnight and think you can run full pace on a warm up lap. It's not the tires. It's the track temp and the rider not being in tune with the bike and feeling the messages that it is trying to give him.

Give me those "shot" tires and I'll still run faster lap times than you can on a fresh set of identical rubber. That's not BS either. I'm serious.................

My boy Gabe will take those tires in a heart beat and I bet he'll run faster lap times than you his first time to Pocono.

Give me those "shot" tires and I'll still run faster lap times than you can on a fresh set of identical rubber. That's not BS either. I'm serious.................

My boy Gabe will take those tires in a heart beat and I bet he'll run faster lap times than you his first time to Pocono.

Okay big shot. The tires are yours. They are coming off of the bike ASAP and you or Gabe can put them on for an East day next season.

I went back out for two more sessions (after my crash) and made sure to warm the tires adequately and they were still sliding. Some people can ride through that, others can't. The tires went off, plain and simple.

Modern street tires hardly affected by heat cycles................. Sorry bro but it's true.

You saw my buddy Pete when we went to the track with you. That was his 3rd trackday on his M1's and he has 3000 miles on them. He was still running faster than you by a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong shot.


Resus is on something like his 4th trackday on his Pilot Powers and I think has well over 1000 street miles on them too. Don't blame the tires. You just can't go out there in a 60 degree day with a 34 degree overnight and think you can run full pace on a warm up lap. It's not the tires. It's the track temp and the rider not being in tune with the bike and feeling the messages that it is trying to give him.

Give me those "shot" tires and I'll still run faster lap times than you can on a fresh set of identical rubber. That's not BS either. I'm serious.................

My boy Gabe will take those tires in a heart beat and I bet he'll run faster lap times than you his first time to Pocono.

And they weren't street tires, they were the power race.

Cool, put them aside and I'll try to get them from you either UPS or we can meet at the NYC bike show for the hand off. Gabe will be all over these. Just to let you know, I'm a little faster than Gabe so I'll let him run you to even things up a bit. I would rather be on some 190/55's next year. If Gabe can't make it to the track, I'll run you on my Pilot Powers with 1 trackday and 1500 street miles on them. I'm sure I'll have another trackday on them by the time I go to Pocono with you in the spring.

This should be fun. I'll smoke you on my "shot" tires and Gabe will smoke you on your "shot" tires :lol:

Then you can buy us both new sets :lol: :lol: :lol:

You have 2 trackdays on them right? With you riding, they are just about broke in to where I like them :lol:

:lol:

Let the trash talkin begin.

Be warned, I'm not the same rider you rode with in June. 8) That's all I'm sayin. I'll say no more.

Just to let you know, I'm a little faster than Gabe so I'll let him run you to even things up a bit. I would rather be on some 190/55's next year. If Gabe can't make it to the track, I'll run you on my Pilot Powers with 1 trackday and 1500 street miles on them.

hmmmm, sounds like a copp out to me if I've ever heard one.

And they weren't street tires, they were the power race.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Guys have been saying all year that they are not affected by heat cycles.................


You know that they take longer to heat up than street tires, especially on cold ass days like today.

Rider error, not the tires fault.

Yes, the crash was my fault, but like I said, I went back out for two more sessions and the tires were not hooking up after being adequately warmed up for at least 3 laps each session.

Jeez, I'm going to start calling you Helen Keller. You're deaf, blind, AND stupid. :lol:

1: are you using warmers?

2: what pressures are you running?

1: are you using warmers?

2: what pressures are you running?

No warmers and I switched to Michelins recommended pressures this time around. I ran 24psi in the rear and 27psi front. I took every precaution possible because I knew it was cold out.

Just to let you know, I'm a little faster than Gabe so I'll let him run you to even things up a bit. I would rather be on some 190/55's next year. If Gabe can't make it to the track, I'll run you on my Pilot Powers with 1 trackday and 1500 street miles on them.

hmmmm, sounds like a copp out to me if I've ever heard one.

How so? I'm willing to use my old tires that you saw me slide the rear on at Pocono. I'm still running those tires and plan on using them for at least 1 or 2 more trackdays next season.


By the way, just because you ran one lap at 1:15 doesn't mean shit. I know my riding has improved 100% since you saw me last. My shoulder is 90% now.

Let's do this right and both run Pilot Race tires or you can run brand new Pilot Powers against my used and abused ones. I'm game for anything.

You're so slow you qualify to enter the Special Olympics :lol:

You're so slow you qualify to enter the Special Olympics :lol:

:lol:

Well my 1988 Olympic leathers are done, so I'll be rid of that problem next season.

By the way, just because you ran one lap at 1:15 doesn't mean shit. I know my riding has improved 100% since you saw me last. My shoulder is 90% now.

Yes, keep telling yourself this. :roll:

Here are the proofs..

http://www.racedayphoto.com/NYSBC/Sept30/c/images/5C7B1559.jpg

http://www.racedayphoto.com/NYSBC/Sept30/c/images/5C7B1558.jpg

http://www.racedayphoto.com/NYSBC/Sept30/c/images/5C7B1557.jpg

http://www.racedayphoto.com/NYSBC/Sept30/c/images/5C7B1556.jpg

http://www.racedayphoto.com/NYSBC/Sept30/c/images/5C7B1555.jpg

http://www.racedayphoto.com/NYSBC/Sept30/c/images/5C7B1554.jpg

http://www.racedayphoto.com/NYSBC/Sept30/c/images/5C7B1553.jpg

...................................... :roll:

1: are you using warmers?

2: what pressures are you running?

No warmers and I switched to Michelins recommended pressures this time around. I ran 24psi in the rear and 27psi front. I took every precaution possible because I knew it was cold out.

Those pressures are high, The Race rear is supposed to have 22psi

1: are you using warmers?

2: what pressures are you running?

No warmers and I switched to Michelins recommended pressures this time around. I ran 24psi in the rear and 27psi front. I took every precaution possible because I knew it was cold out.

Those pressures are high, The Race rear is supposed to have 22psi

I was told 23-24. So I went with 24.

1: are you using warmers?

2: what pressures are you running?

No warmers and I switched to Michelins recommended pressures this time around. I ran 24psi in the rear and 27psi front. I took every precaution possible because I knew it was cold out.

Those pressures are high, The Race rear is supposed to have 22psi

I was told 23-24. So I went with 24.

I see. Michelin is recommending 22 in the rear, I can't recall front.

They also recommend using warmers.

For the price of a pair of tires, I think you have come to a point of needing a good set of warmers. The video was to progressive and linear of a crash to be anything but cold tires.

For the price of a pair of tires, I think you have come to a point of needing a good set of warmers. The video was to progressive and linear of a crash to be anything but cold tires.

You are absolutely right. If you watch the vid, right where my bike is supposed to hook up and arc through the turn, they just let go.

When I did my trackday in Michigan this year with STT, the Michelin rep told us 23psi -24psi. Also, if I'm not mistaken, 23psi is what they used in the Roadracingworld Tire shootout.

For the price of a pair of tires, I think you have come to a point of needing a good set of warmers. The video was to progressive and linear of a crash to be anything but cold tires.

You are absolutely right. If you watch the vid, right where my bike is supposed to hook up and arc through the turn, they just let go.

When I did my trackday in Michigan this year with STT, the Michelin rep told us 23psi -24psi. Also, if I'm not mistaken, 23psi is what they used in the Roadracingworld Tire shootout.


Everyone I have talked to using those tires on 1000rr.net and on NESBA forums is using 22

either way though, I think the answer is Warmers

If I can consistently run fast laps next season, then I'll probably splurge on warmers.


Thanks for the info.

If you keep using the race tires without warmers, you are going to spend half your sessions getting the tires up to temp. Spend the money so you are not wasting half your tracktime getting tires heated up.

Or go back to Pilot Powers and get off the race tires. If you are going to use race tires, don't do it half assed. They NEED heat to work, and without warmers, you will be throwing half of every trackday dollar spent in the trash because you are warming tires up. Until I can afford to get a generator and warmers, I am not going to be on race tires. I spend way too much money on this stuff to get half use out of it.

If you keep using the race tires without warmers, you are going to spend half your sessions getting the tires up to temp. Spend the money so you are not wasting half your tracktime getting tires heated up.

Or go back to Pilot Powers and get off the race tires. If you are going to use race tires, don't do it half assed. They NEED heat to work, and without warmers, you will be throwing half of every trackday dollar spent in the trash because you are warming tires up. Until I can afford to get a generator and warmers, I am not going to be on race tires. I spend way too much money on this stuff to get half use out of it.

That's a good point. Usually it takes me about 3 laps to get them warm. Which is just under 4 min. of a 20min session.

If you keep using the race tires without warmers, you are going to spend half your sessions getting the tires up to temp. Spend the money so you are not wasting half your tracktime getting tires heated up.

Or go back to Pilot Powers and get off the race tires. If you are going to use race tires, don't do it half assed. They NEED heat to work, and without warmers, you will be throwing half of every trackday dollar spent in the trash because you are warming tires up. Until I can afford to get a generator and warmers, I am not going to be on race tires. I spend way too much money on this stuff to get half use out of it.

That's a good point. Usually it takes me about 3 laps to get them warm. Which is just under 4 min. of a 20min session. I bet if you borrowed a set of warmers once and tried them, you would find-

1. The tires were not warmed up completely after 3 laps. They will perform better than you ever thought they could. They do not work like a light switch, 3 laps and they are at optimum temp- no. They are hot enough to use. Why not use warmers and start riding hard from the time you get on the track?

2. Your tire dollar and fun per lap value would go up an incredible amount. Sure, your tires feel hot and sticky when you come off the track now, but I bet only the outer shell is heating up, and you are not getting the benefit of a totally heated tire, with the characteristics that the tire is designed to have when used at the proper temps.

If you keep using the race tires without warmers, you are going to spend half your sessions getting the tires up to temp. Spend the money so you are not wasting half your tracktime getting tires heated up.

Or go back to Pilot Powers and get off the race tires. If you are going to use race tires, don't do it half assed. They NEED heat to work, and without warmers, you will be throwing half of every trackday dollar spent in the trash because you are warming tires up. Until I can afford to get a generator and warmers, I am not going to be on race tires. I spend way too much money on this stuff to get half use out of it.

That's a good point. Usually it takes me about 3 laps to get them warm. Which is just under 4 min. of a 20min session. I bet if you borrowed a set of warmers once and tried them, you would find-

1. The tires were not warmed up completely after 3 laps. They will perform better than you ever thought they could. They do not work like a light switch, 3 laps and they are at optimum temp- no. They are hot enough to use. Why not use warmers and start riding hard from the time you get on the track?

2. Your tire dollar and fun per lap value would go up an incredible amount. Sure, your tires feel hot and sticky when you come off the track now, but I bet only the outer shell is heating up, and you are not getting the benefit of a totally heated tire, with the characteristics that the tire is designed to have when used at the proper temps.

I'm sold. I'm getting warmers and a generator over the winter. Along with my Pickup. 8)

Pocono has outlets so a generator is not needed there. I just bought Racetec 190/55 and will be buying warmers. I have wasted up to 20 minutes fighting tire pressure and warmup. Won't be doing that next season. Turbo sorry about you going down. Definetly cold tires that caused it not worn tires. As Resus has stated the let go was progressive not a snap as if they were overcome by hard imput or a hard blown tire.

Yo Nemesis man...what happen?.. You Turbo man, here is the picture of your bike. not real damage to it.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y297/metalscorpio/DSC03915.jpg

I didn't get out of work until 2:30 AM on Thursday and absolutely had to be back at work by 5:00 PM on Friday. Then to make matters worse on Saturday I am out with the wife and kids on Saturday (out in South Jersey) and right before the food comes out I have to leave. Now I have to find someone to drive my family back because the wife can't leave. So I have lunch at 6:00 (a snickers bar) and at 7:30 had dinner (2 cold slices of pizza that another detective was nice enought to drop off to my car) and then a decent meal finally at 1:00 AM in the morning. Believe me work is killing my social life and health. But Metal and friends lets get together for a casual ride together. Just not at 6:00 AM in the morning. I don't go to bet usually until 3:30 and even when I can go to bed earlier my enternal clock doesn't want to here it.

soon Brotherman...soon. :glad you're ok and keep up the good work, :)

Thanks for the pic Metal.

You know that they take longer to heat up than street tires, especially on cold ass days like today.

Rider error, not the tires fault.


And you had the nerve to call me Helen Keller :roll: Only a deaf and blind dummy like you would not listen to the hundreds of riders that say that you must properly warm race tires before riding hard on them. :lol: :lol:

:wink:

Hey Turbo -- If By-Tor gets a set of tires if he beats you on the track with his 1000RR, what will I get if I do it on the KTM? :lol: JFWY I know by next summer that Duc will be even more nuts that it already is :twisted:

Turbo, I WISH I had gotten off that easy last December. Dude, I'd take a "low-side" at slower speeds anyday. Why did you tumble so much? Did you tense up?
Glad to hear you're just sore... the race compounds are relentless until they're warmed up. :wink:

Turbo, I WISH I had gotten off that easy last December. Dude, I'd take a "low-side" at slower speeds anyday. Why did you tumble so much? Did you tense up?
Glad to hear you're just sore... the race compounds are relentless until they're warmed up. :wink:

I didn't tense up, but I think I tried to stand up before I stopped moving. It really doesn't feel like you're moving after a point. The grass didn't help things either.

you may have been taking the proper line this time but you sure turned before the apex was even present. glad you're ok. and to think I was going to let you take my 600 around the track for me to take your duc for a spin. NOT




jfwy man. I'd still let you cruize the lil bugger.

you may have been taking the proper line this time but you sure turned before the apex was even present. glad you're ok. and to think I was going to let you take my 600 around the track for me to take your duc for a spin. NOT




jfwy man. I'd still let you cruize the lil bugger.

I wouldn't dive into turns on someone elses bike. I'd have total respect for someone else's machine.

I've had my Duc for two full seasons and I'm just now starting to feel like I'm getting to really "know" the bike.

Sorry to hear that turbo. Hope all is well in the camp.

bdlstyle

Sorry to hear that turbo. Hope all is well in the camp.

bdlstyle

Thx bdlstyle