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post #11 of 21 (permalink) Old 03-17-2005, 10:56 AM
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I better put knobbys on my 954, some of my roads are fucked, all the freezing & thawing & re-freezing of the roads has destroyed them, they are full of potholes, & loose dirt & gravel everywhere. Winter can be a real bitch in MI sometimes. Every spring we have to take it easy to get the roads sorted out.
same here. from all the contractions in the road due tothe season changes it's like whoopde doos even in the turns... normally skip both wheels across the road if you go fast enough..


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If you routinely go 100 mph,
we hope you routinely practice emergency stops from that speed.
first thing I started to do first time I got a sport bike. that and controlled skids and slides...


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I printed this out to discuss with our group. The orignal 4 members know how we each ride. Now in year 2 we are pushing 15 members. Undoubtly, these new people have no idea on how we ride and communicate.
Setting up general rules and communications isn't to be an asshole, it's to make sure EVERYONE makes it home that evening, and are around for the next ride.
This was a great post Truck, I hope the Mods put a sticky on this thread and keep it at the top.

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post #14 of 21 (permalink) Old 05-24-2005, 09:39 PM
 
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this pass weekend i senn two guys wrap and don't know what caused it. sunday on the staten island expressway. this guy was being put into the back of an ambulance. blk slvr 1krr. din't see no other car around. then on tuesday guy on a yellow ducati 748 wrapped on the southern state. again no cars aorund. he also was being loaded in the back of the ambulance

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I just walked in after looking @ a smashed mc in the back of a truck
nothing I am interested in buying though
the guys leg is pretty mangled
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post #16 of 21 (permalink) Old 07-05-2005, 06:57 AM
 
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Great article...

I have ridden with my brother and it becomes a pissing contest, I guess it is sibling rivalry

I know my bike can reach top 170's so I don't do it on every straight, if I did, I wouldn't have life/license. I LOVE to crank it up in the twisties but I usually take one run through the killer sets to see if there is debris or wet road, then I go hit 'em.... I have not done a ride with more than myself and one other, so I think I would just take the back and make sure to know the hand signals so we can all make it home and do it again....

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Great article ... I wasn't riding back in 1993, but it's interesting how they called them "murder-cycles" and even tried to 'ban' a few sportsbikes back then. In a way, I don't blame them - because today, we have more younger (and older) idiots on the roads - then ever before. ;-(

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Re: Setting the pace

more on Trucks sticky post

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Read it, Learn it, Live it!


THE PACE

BY NICK IENATSCH
.... Racing involves speed, concentration and commitment; the results of a mistake are usually catastrophic because there's little room for error riding at 100 percent. Performance street riding is less intense and further from the absolute limit, but because circumstances are less controlled, mistakes and over aggressiveness can be equally catastrophic. Plenty of roadracers have sworn off street riding. "Too dangerous, too many variables and too easy to get carried away with too much speed," track specialists claim. Adrenaline-addled racers find themselves treating the street like the track, and not surprisingly, they get burned by the police, the laws of physics and the cold, harsh realities of an environment not groomed for ten-tenths riding.

.... But as many of us know, a swift ride down a favorite road may be the finest way to spend a few free hours with a bike we love. And these few hours are best enjoyed riding at The Pace.
.... A year after I joined Motorcyclist staff in 1984, Mitch Boehm was hired. Six months later, The Pace came into being, and we perfected it during the next few months of road testing and weekend fun rides. Now The Pace is part of my life - and a part of the Sunday morning riding group I frequent. The Pace is a street riding technique that not only keeps street riders alive, but thoroughly entertained as well.
THE PACE
.... The Pace focuses on bike control and de-emphasizes outright speed. Full-throttle acceleration and last minute braking aren't part of the program, effectively eliminating the two most common single-bike accident scenarios in sport riding. Cornering momentum is the name of the game, stressing strong, forceful inputs at the handlebar to place the bike correctly at the entrance of the turn and get it flicked in with little wasted time and distance. Since the throttle wasn't slammed open at the exit of the last corner, the next corner doesn't require much, if any, braking. It isn't uncommon to ride with our group and not see a brake light flash all morning.
.... If the brakes are required, the front lever gets squeezed smoothly, quickly and with a good deal of force to set entrance speed in minimum time. Running in on the brakes is tantamount to running off the road, a confession that you're pushing too hard and not getting your entrance speed set early enough because you stayed on the gas too long. Running The Pace decreases your reliance on the throttle and brakes, the two easiest controls to abuse, and hones your ability to judge cornering speed, which is the most thrilling aspect of performance street riding.
YOUR LANE IS YOUR LIMIT
.... Crossing the centerline at any time except during a passing maneuver is intolerable, another sign that you're pushing too hard to keep up. Even when you have a clean line of sight through a left-hand kink, stay to the right of the centerline. Staying on the right side of the centerline is much more challenging than simply straightening every slight corner, and when the whole group is committed to this intelligent practice, the temptation to cheat is eliminated through peer pressure and logic. Though street riding shouldn't be described in racing terms, you can think of your lane as the race track. Leaving your lane is tantamount to a crash.
.... Exact bike control has you using every inch of your lane if the circumstances permit it. In corners with a clear line of sight and no oncoming traffic, enter at the far outside of the corner, turn the bike relatively late in the corner to get a late apex at the far inside of your lane and accelerate out, just brushing the far outside of your lane as your bike stands up. Steer your bike forcefully but smoothly to minimize the transition time. Don't hammer it down because the chassis will bobble slightly as it settles, possibly carrying you off line. Since you haven't charged in on the brakes, you can get the throttle on early, before the apex, which balances and settles your bike for the drive out.
.... More often than not, circumstances do not permit the full use of your lane from yellow line to white line and back again. Blind corners, oncoming traffic and gravel on the road are a few criteria that dictate a more conservative approach, so leave yourself a three or four foot margin for error, especially at the left side of the lane where errant oncoming traffic could prove fatal. Simply narrow your entrance on a blind right-harder and move your apex into your lane three feet on blind left turns in order to stay free of unseen oncoming traffic hogging the centerline. Because you're running at The Pace and not flat out, your controlled entrances offer additional time to deal with unexpected gravel or other debris in your lane; the outside wheel track is usually the cleanest through a dirty corner since a car weights its outside tires most, scrubbing more dirt off the pavement in the process, so aim for that line.
A GOOD LEADER, WILLING FOLLOWERS
.... The street is not a racing environment, and it takes humility, self assurance and self control to keep it that way. The leader sets the pace and monitors his mirrors for signs of raggedness in the ranks that follow, such as tucking in on straights, crossing over the yellow line and hanging off the motorcycle in the corners, If the leader pulls away, he simply slows his straight way speed slightly but continues to enjoy the corners, thus closing the ranks but missing none of the fun. The small group of three or four riders I ride with is so harmonious that the pace is identical no matter who's leading. The lead shifts occasionally with a quick hand sign, but there's never a pass for the lead with an ego on the sleeve. Make no mistake, the riding is spirited and quick in the corners. Anyone with a right arm can hammer down the straights; it's proficiency in the corners that makes The Pace come alive.
.... Following distances are relatively lengthy, with the straightaways taken at more moderate speeds, providing the perfect opportunity to adjust the gaps. Keeping a good distance serves several purposes, besides being safer. Rock chips are minimized, and the police or highway patrol won't suspect a race is in progress. The Pace's style of not hanging off in corners also reduces the appearance of pushing too hard and adds a degree of maturity and sensibility in the eyes of the public and the law. There's a definite challenge to cornering quickly while sitting sedately on your bike.
.... New rider indoctrination takes some time because The Pace develops very high cornering speeds and newcomers want to hammer the throttle on the exits to make up for what they lose at the entrances. Our group slows drastically when a new rider joins the ranks because our technique of moderate straightaway speed and no brakes can suck the unaware into a corner too fast, creating the most common single bike accident. With a new rider learning The Pace behind you, tap your brake lightly well before the turn to alert him and make sure he understands there's no pressure to stay with the group.
.... There's plenty of ongoing communication during The Pace. A foot off the peg indicates debris in the road, and all slowing or turning intentions are signaled in advance with the left hand and arm. Turn signals are used for direction changes and passing, with a wave of the left hand to thank the cars that move right and make it easy for motorcyclists to get past. Since you don't have a death grip on the handlebar, your left hand is also free to wave to oncoming riders, a fading courtesy that we'd like to see return. If you're getting the idea The Pace is a relaxing, noncompetitive way to ride with a group, you are right.
RELAX AND FLICK IT
.... I'd rather spend a Sunday in the mountains riding at The Pace than a Sunday at the racetrack, it's that enjoyable. Countersteering is the name of the game; smooth, forceful steering input at the handlebar relayed to the tires' contact patches through a rigid sport bike frame. Riding at The Pace is certainly what bike manufacturers had in mind when sport bikes evolved to the street.
.... But the machine isn't the most important aspect of running The Pace because you can do it on anything capable of getting through a corner. Attitude is The Pace's most important aspect: realizing the friend ahead of you isn't a competitor, respecting his right to lead the group occasionally and giving him credit for his riding skills. You must have the maturity to limit your straightaway speeds to allow the group to stay in touch and the sense to realize that racetrack tactics such as late braking and full throttle runs to redline will alienate the public and police and possibly introduce you to the unforgiving laws of gravity. When the group arrives at the destination after running The Pace, no one feels outgunned or is left with the feeling he must prove himself on the return run. If you've got some thing to prove, get on a racetrack.
.... The racetrack measures your speed with a stop watch and direct competition, welcoming your aggression and gritty resolve to be the best. Performance street riding's only yardstick is the amount of enjoyment gained, not lap times, finishing position or competitors beaten. The differences are huge but not always remembered by riders who haven't discovered The Pace's cornering pureness and group involvement. Hammer on the racetrack. Pace yourself on the street.

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post #19 of 21 (permalink) Old 03-11-2006, 03:44 PM
 
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Since i have been taking it easier getting use to the newer/bigger bike i can really identify with the points this guy is making. i gotta be careful of hte false confidence the honda sports bikes can give, cause their so damn easy to ride and do everything so well

you really do have to think and use your brain, tho i have been guilty of go balls out, till the thought of losing my licence hits me again and i slow down.

its hard when your mate you are riding with takes off you have to fight every urge to chase him down or decide to stay within the speed limit but i think its the better choice, tho if the conditions and skill allows then thats a different story, tho generally the conditions arn't all that good on the road, compared to the track, so you have to keep those two seperate

fun is the name of the game and i can have fun just taking a corner the best it can be taken regardless the speed, still working on my skills tho, thinking of signing up for a braking and corner program down here at my local, probably teach me a few things that i can put into practice

expensive but i reckon its worth it, for both me and my bike :)
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Re: Setting the pace

well put Thunda, well put.



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